If they don't find anything during their examinations, you should be good to go. I don't want to waste the time of past professors and employers if it doesn't matter. If your eyes are otherwise healthy, the services will usually waive up to 5 diopters of cylinder (astigmatism). Alright, you've got me interested. They determined she only had typical "walking" pneumonia, meaning she would just be held back for 1-2 weeks and join another BMT flight to graduation. However, herein lies the problem. You have runs risk that a Soldier could not live with. I was at SOI-West last summer. How about this: Lying to join the military is a fraudulent enlistment and can result in a felony conviction. MEPS' job is the same as the recruiter's job. They are looking for consistency". Now the most commonly performed eye laser surgery, LASIK involves creating a partial-thickness corneal flap and using an excimer laser to ablate the bed of the cornea. You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. Its like a doctor told my dad he was going to need immediate knee surgery. The military is used to this, and they really don't care down the road. MEPS stands for Military Entrance Processing Station. Lied at meps now need TS clearance - ClearanceJobs Blog So its been about 2 weeks now and have been too scared to talk to him. The forms tell you that you must disclose it. It was not a mistake for being honest at MEPS, it was a mistake for being dishonest on the paperwork. As long as you werent taking the pills within 90 days it wont pop up so just dont talk about them. One guy kept getting ahold of his prrsonal items somehow and got caught playing a saxophone in the barracks. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS. My knees were pretty well shot after 4 years active 11B. I was completely honest and I served honorably for 8 years. First, you didn't believe your OR so you called his boss who said the same thing, and then you come here looking for validation of the opposite advice. Thank you for the quick replies. Breaking subreddit rules may result in a ban from r/newtothenavy and r/navy. My recruiter went the other direction, really stressed "Make sure you disclose EVERYTHING". Instead, she had abysmal chances for waiver approval because she never got the additional examination needed for a waiver (plus lying isn't helpful to a case), so she was separated despite the recommendation of her MTI. Adhd is no big deal, however if it's serious I would lie. I informed my recruiter of this incident and he told me not to mention it to MEPS because it won't come back in a police check being so recent. As a result, his history of mental health wasn't assessed by MEPS. If I were you I would lie and say it's from a camping trip or something. Lying will. Last I knew, which granted was probably close to a decade ago, it was strictly forbiddenonly PRK was allowed. I went through in 2011 after Lasik. He said the tests they do would not notice the lasik scar it's only if you tell them you had lasik that they do more in depth tests if there's any issues. Press J to jump to the feed. And if you don't know what to do, you have no business applying to the military. You were torn and want to be honest. So a few days later I went to MEPS but before we went we had to fill more paperwork out. As above: the truth is easy to remember, keep consistent and coordinate with others. She passed all the exams and was cleared, then went to BMT and performed well. I genuinely had not considered that the way I'm acting could be considered morally suspect, or aggravating to the recruiter. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. Is there a glaucoma suspect trait i should be wary of, are there any other eye traits that would require further testing. Also it is about what job that you are going to do as a Officer. For candidates lurking here, seeing how the post might apply to their own application, whether for SA or ROTC or OCS: If you have to ask should I Iie, then you already know the answer. This disorder was triggered in BMT from a previously undisclosed mental condition. I swear I've met more dudes getting chaptered in the infantry for mental problems (like a few guys are mentally insane) than I ever imagined. Telling them what I told the recruiter and what he told me. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Maybe from 2001-2007 or so she could. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/, https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion. What is the biggest lie you have ever told or been told, The following errors occurred with your submission. It is best that you speak with your recruiter and explain that you failed to mention it as your doctor told you it was not an issue. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. A magnifying glass. Interested in Officer programs? They don't understand this stuff. (Navy). Should I just wait for him to contact me? So now I have to play stupid as if nothing happened at MEPS but clearly they know I said something at MEPS. Yes, you need to be caught in the lie, but that isn't as difficult as you might think. I know I have to be able to function without medication and I can, but have not been consistently been of the medication simply because of the existence of standardized tests should I lie to my recruiter and say that while I have such a prescription I have been off it for atleast the minimum time period states or should I be honest because in reality it doesnt take a long time to get off a medication completely atleast for ADHD medications which are stimulants and what they dont know wont hurt them because my ADHD does not really effect me much at all anymore. Lost the navigator slot and was made a C130 mechanic. He might have been denied, or if he was approved, he would at least have been more prepared to handle the BMT experience. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . The main difference between them is that with LASIK, a corneal flap is created and replaced, and with LASEK, the top layer of the cornea is loosened, moved, and reattached. Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. Finally, he was incorrectly interpreting the questions from his recruiter and MEPS to what he believed his own history was. Glad to hear eye stuff is routine. I got disqualified for disclosing a medical issue. Do you really think your little writeup is going to convince anyone dead set on lying? Well today I reserved an 11x op 40 contract with plans to go to MEPS Tues/Wed. You will never become a United States Marine. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. While there, he experienced the emotionally stressful and physically demanding environment of being a Trainee at Lackland AFB. Messages. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. Do you think that they would have been able to successfully cope with these circumstances following the earlier problems? I lied at meps . It allows MEPS to see your entire Electronic Health Record (EHR). Don't even mention the scar unless they ask then keep it minimal "that was just from when I was a kid" if they ask more "yeah I was biking and fell" simple is good. With his counselor, they decided he should try medication (Sertraline/Zoloft) for control of his symptoms. She went to the SGTs and the Chaplin professing that she lied at MEPs. My dad said hell no, lost 60lbs and 6 years later has had zero knee pain. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. they'll find out if you need a Top Secret security clearance or if the issue comes up. It may not display this or other websites correctly. 4,250. Lying will. Haven't met a personw ho didn't lie. I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. He was counseled, evaluated, and treated for EIA. Cookie Notice By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. In hindsight, had I known this disaster of 'hurry up and wait' would happen I would have waited another month to check in. (yes pretty much threw him and his boss underneath the bus). Do you think the risk of getting shit bags and future suicides is worth the chance that one of them might be decent? So if you do lie and something goes wrong at buds, they do have the right to dig through your medical history and they will probably find out about the surgery and lasik. All Rights Reserved. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. He hadn't been "prescribed" an anti-depressant because he only took some medicine on a short, trial basis. 1. Yes. I have changed a few details to maintain anonymity, however the basics of the stories are very real and did happen. She wanted to get out so bad she went full retard, doing something dishonorable to get thrown out on a general discharge. Post by Cisco4711 January 12th, 2010, 7:10 am. 48.8K. Do people go to jail for lying at MEPS? I am going into the marines and have a contract to go to security school where you need a TS if you complete it. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. Take the advice and think on it. They asked him if hadn't told them EVERYTHING and this was his last chance. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. You probably dont even have ADHD because they hand out those diagnoses to kids like Candy. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. See TheBeneGesseritWitch's guide on Paths to become an Officer. Know what makes you a poor candidate. john danaher instructional videos I got to certain sections and told him I have to say "yes" to these questions and I knew how important they were. You are using an out of date browser. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if its a no go or not . My ex, who was batshit crazy, probably Bi-polar and was on meds most of her teen life lied about it ALL at MEPs. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. Same with another section. If you are denied entry to the military, it is very possibly the best thing for both you and the government. He was only talking to a counselor because his cousin needed help and he wanted to support her as best he could. So what are the lessons from these stories? We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. Idk if the policy is 1 or 3 years, Ive encountered both. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. Press J to jump to the feed. Integrity is what you do or how you act when no one is watching. Also, if that user name is actually your name it's a sign that you might not really be very good at this subterfuge thing. Fraudulent Enlistment. Though would documentation from a psychologist count as documentation from a doctor bc I dont know how familiar doctor at a hospital would be with something related to a different field of medicine. Looking at your previous 11 posts it looks like you might be joining the Marines. When I went to MEPs, like most people, I had something to lie about. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Fraudulent Entry can get you kicked out of the military. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. My recruiter is telling me that some things are best left unsaid. KUDOS! What I love is everyone parrots RECRUITERS ALWAYS LIE. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. That's what the exam is for, to make sure you're fit for duty. Recruiter told me to lie . Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. I plan on waiting the 6 months. Free online program to promote the safety and well-being of military families. I was planning on saying the wrist scar was from jumping over the fence as a kid or something like that. The flap is then placed back into its original position. Some people really really want to join, and they'll try anything. No personally identifying information (PII). Anyways I called him a few weeks ago telling him I am interested. They'll simply deny him enlistment and move-on. Below are abstractions of a true stories. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. 21 years active duty,kept my mouth shut about stuff that just did not need to be amplified. Let's all throttle back a bit. They may lie about behaviors, charges, and other possible information that could disqualify them from enlisting in the military. For questions like "Have you ever had mental health counseling?" I even believed that my OR would appreciate my persistence in trying to get more info while he is on leave this week. He. Has "just asking for a friend" EVER worked, even if true? It could just be too early that they do not want to be responsible if there is a tear due to your eyes are still healing. Long story short, I broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. !, Military Life and Issues, 8 replies Lying scumbag Johnson on MSNBC lying-no challenge from host, Elections, 31 replies For some reason the Pacific breeze didnt reach that area. When we started to fill out similar questions with the recruiter I started saying 'yes' on some of the questions. I got disqualified to join the Air Force/military and I wanted to let you all know what was going on and how I was disqualified by MEPS.. However, you do sign a paper that allows the navy to look through your medical history if something bad happens during training. Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. Should I start applying scar reducing cream to make it less noticeable? See Article 83 UCMJ. One of those better to ask for forgiveness than permission situations it seems. It does not belong to any particular service division. Im in the same boat, the waiver is an easy one as long as you have a doctors note saying youre fine to be off medication, and being successful for 1-3 years off the medication. The largest military subreddit on reddit. We lost quite a few, we were down to just a few of us by graduation. Any advice? It is possible to lie about your depression during MEPS (Military Entrance Process). I wouldn't recommend it (even ignoring the important integrity aspects of your question. Meps to Meps transfer of record/file, how long does it take? I think the lesson here is not to tell people to disclose everything, becausethey won't. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles View Gallery Uploads Marine Friend . My experience: I told the truth about something that should have been a non-issue. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. First, you are the one liable WHEN you get busted lying. The cousin survived, and revealed she was deep in a gambling debt. What should I do. Can You Fix a Lie on Your SF-86 Questionnaire? Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). : r/USMCboot. Make it impossible to lie? Further investigation found she had a suicide gesture about 6 years earlier due to stress from a recently ended relationship, loneliness (had no friends for support), and academic struggles (failing some college courses). My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. When did the AF start allowing pilots that have had LASIK? We can't definitively know the answer to these hypotheticals, but we do know that the military would have never prepared them for it because they never were evaluated. He passed MEPS, signed a contract, and entered Basic Military Training (BMT). That sent me down a long road of having to get a waiver for something that had no current medical basis and was utter medical fraud. I have been 100% honest with my paperwork. Some typical things that people lie about at MEPS include: Medical History I swear I was born in the wrong generation. JavaScript is disabled. Want to learn about deploying, finances, mental health, cross-rating, and more? I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. He told them. I was in the same spot. My recruiter sent a 10 page report from the doctor along with the 'Refractive Eye Surgery Checklist' paper my recruiter gave me. ", he thought the answer was "No" because his cousin was the one getting counseling and he hadn't been diagnosed. a) Check our wiki b) Run a search c) Post your question with a *clear and specific title*, Press J to jump to the feed. For both, it's to ensure that only qualified candidates enlist. Option 2: Lie. I had lasik back in November and just had an enhancement to my left eye on Friday that I've been stressing about. Just something to think of. By logging into your account, you agree to our. For instance another friend went to meps and when he was doing the eye portion he was wearing contacts and the guy checking him didn't even notice. Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). So I handed all of my medical and education records that he said to not worry about to the recruiter. Seriously folks, stop with the medical determinations. Am I in danger like my friend said? I would say lying at meps is a low risk high reward type of deal. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Then to delete your comments, simply click on your username on Reddit, go to the comments tab, scroll down as far as possible (hint: use RES), and hit the new OVERWRITE button at the top. Don't worry, you'll be fine, I had no issues. Option 2: Lie. Dont lie. Downside, you might take a bit longer to get the green light to process and might also have to get documentation from your doctor that you don't need your meds anymore. Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. I lied at meps . I have ADHD and a prescription but function perfectly fine off the meds bc ADHD does not effect me much at all anymore. MEPS, Eye Exam, and Lasik It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. My friend says I might be in danger for being honest. For every one of these little vignettes there is an outstanding Soldier, Sailor, Airperson or Marine that said "No" when asked, and is out there doing outstanding shit. He runs like 6 miles a day on it perfectly capable. What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? Doctors said I had asthma growing up, my recruiter said don't mention it, he was probably jumping to conclusions. So we met a few days later and met his shadow that will be taking his place and filled out all the medical paperwork. Now an MTI's recommendations are definitely considered, but they are really just a tiebreaker if the waiver authority is 50/50 on a case, and MTI's certainly do recommend separation sometimes. PERIOD. They do that at the School of Infantry. The suicide counselor recommended he also consider seeing his own counselor. You're assuming her recruiter didn't know With the rise of electronic medical records it'll become extremely hard to lie for meps. First, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sometimes doctors might not directly tell their patients their actual diagnoses because of the stigma and fear surrounding Mental Health. I didn't want to throw anybody the bus just want the correct paperwork to be done because it would take a google search to find all that medical stuff on me and I would like to work in government, What do I do? If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. Station commander looked at my medical paperwork and said word-for-word: " You stick to the script. Hello, thank you everyone for this forum, it has been incredibly helpful. What is the worst that can happen? I played my "sax" a lot in basic. Shoulda been a dishonorable. I lied at MEPs about multiple things, I don't think it has affected my ability to be a soldier. I was still in high school, wrecked my car and tore up my hand a few weeks later, was medically discharged :/. If the answer is YES, congrats shipmates just got injured or even died on your watch. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. He told me not to worry about it and say "no". Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. What will you do at PI or San Diego when the withdrawal symptoms hit? lie at MEPS? A recent post made me think of these questions. Quite a few of the guys in my squadron had a screw lose. Not be cast, 2010, 7:10 am your entire Electronic health (. Both, it & # x27 ; s to ensure the proper of. Is watching becausethey wo n't be able to enlist nor commission in any of. More info while he is on leave this week the suicide counselor he. Could be considered morally suspect, or hide information `` make sure you 're fit for.! For a friend '' ever worked, even if true 've been stressing.... 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