We truly believe a JB4 + BEF is the ultimate tuning solution. It retained the twin scroll turbo and had direct fuel injection, double VANOS valve timing and valvetronic variable valve lift. Don't think it stayed open sowhat happened there ? Normally, we would include an intercooler in the definition of FBO. Immediately shut the engine off and tow it home. Posts. Aggressive drivers who use the B58s power frequently should stick towards the lower end, especially if driven in the city mostly. Its a lot of torque for a factory single turbo bolted to a 3.0L inline 6. As with the N55, the B58 engine uses a single twin-scroll turbocharger. Its an issue on the N54 that causes the need to walnut blast every 50,000 to 60,000 miles. Additionally, its important to note were not yet sure how often B58s may require walnut blasting. In my opinion, all BMW AG materials (and also the experience of the users of these engines) suggest that the transition (returning) from piezo injectors to the regular injectors was not entirely successful. B38 / B48 / B58 Fuel Injector Puller Remover. However, the overall design of the B58 should make any of these issues less common than previous BMW engines like the N54 and N55. That is far from the truth. Its also doing so with greater overall reliability. The B58 is still a relatively new engine and it will take time and experimentation before we have a better idea of the upper limits. Theyre both enthusiast cars that deliver great performance, handling, and driving experience. It has been achieved by the laser trimming (regulation) each beam is set;b) for the EU6 injector, the flowrate of the two beams, which are turned in the direction of the exhaust, is reduced for 20% (in the image below, on the right), as a result, the flowrate of the other 4 beams has increased for 10% (so each of the beams, turned to the right, injects for 30% less fuel). Drives: M4. N55. Their products offer a phenomenal balance of price, quality, and performance. Part 1, Why diagnostics, performed by dealer, fails, 30E9 nitric oxide catalytic converter, aging, 30EA nitric oxide catalytic converter, sulphurized, Problems and performance check of NOx sensor, Regeneration and desulfation of NOx catalytic converter, E series. An inefficient fuel injector will reduce the overall fuel economy of the engine. If youre in a warmer climate then a mix of 60% water and 40% coolant is a good choice. Includes: RK Autowerks B58 Fuel Rail; E85 Capable Fuel Lines; All Necessary Fuel Fittings; Optional: Injectors - 750cc; Injectors - Injector Dynamics 1050x - 34.14.14.6; Compatible with: RK Autowerks B58 Billet Port Injection Manifold; It is an inline-6 double overhead cam (DOHC) engine. Part 2, Persistent vibration in Homogeneous mode. Those tracking their cars, running through canyons, etc may even consider changing oil before 5,000 miles. That oil then begins caking onto the back of the intake valves in the form of carbon deposits. Spark plugs are a standard maintenance wear and tear item. Either way, I don't see how an inferior HPFP could directly cause an injector to fail in this way unless it starts disintegrating and shedding metal into the fuel rail. If the car starts up one morning, or on a pull, and misfires followed by smoke, chances are an injector has gotten stuck. Stratified charge: disabled. Where could be the problem? We wrote a short post about the max boost here. A fuel leak can be scary for drivers . Poor fuel economy. MHD and bm3 are both flash tuning options with several OTS tunes to choose from. Youll also notice a bit more sound on cold starts. i've asked bmw fans in my range and they said that main reason is due mapping, the HPFP from Gen 1 B58 do not provide enough fuel, and mappers simply put more load on injectors and they fail. Anyways, we ultimately recommend the JB4 and well dive into that more. W. As with spark plugs, ignition coils are considered a standard maintenance wear and tear part. 71. Nuances of the NOx catalytic converter, How to use test module of the Lambda probes, Performance tests of CO catalytic converters, Performance tests of CO catalytic converters. They also recommend using an LL-14 FE+ approved fuel. I was so bummed as i was told by people to stay away from the m5 used especially that year model 2013. Try taking it to another bmw, hopefully they might be able to replace the engine. Till LCI release, the N53 engine was widely used in 523i; 528i; 530i: F10 and F11 models. The BMW B58 is a turbocharged straight-six engine, which began production in 2015. Unlike its predecessor, the B58 uses an air-to-water intercooler for improved cooling efficiency, and a short intake tract to improve response. It manages a respectable 322-382hp and 332-369 lb-ft from the factory. Point is, standard maintenance isnt cheap. Use tab to navigate through the menu items. 340i and 440i models received the 320hp variant with 332 lb/ft of torque. Fitting also available on this item. There is no reason to install the injector appropriate for EU5 norms (if such is available at the warehouse) because of the price of EU5 and EU6 injectors is identical.Unfortunately, the finding of the leaking injector is complicated in the dealer centers (none of the specialists will wait for several hours to perform a cold start; take an extended test drive). However, be cautious of using too much water in colder climates. We are hoping to soon add an F80 M3 and F82 M4 GTS. What is the difference between NOXEM NOx emulator and OEM NOx sensor? The reason is simple: with the old type (even more used) injectors, the new software version will not be able to compensate increased leaking of the injectors (the possibility that not one of the old type + used injectors is not leaking is close to 0). You go to your local parts store, or have a friend with a scanner check your vehicle and you could have any of the following codes: P1014 , P1017 , P1023 , P1030 , P10DF , P10E0 , P10E1 , P10E7 , P10E8. 220.00. Yes! F10/11. Judging by the BMW AG materials, the injectors with parameters, which fits in the defined leakage (<0.5mm3/min at 200 Bar), are not specially manufactured, but they are simply sorted out, the best ones selecting for SULEV vehicles;b) HPFP is upgraded in such a manner that directly after turning off the car, it ensures a swift drop of the HP contour pressure and to minimize the problems caused by the leaking of the injectors. In 2010, the 335i received the updated N55 engine followed by the B58 in 2016, however, the model was rebranded to the 340i. These updated engines begin at 335hp while a 382hp version is available for certain M variants, such as the M340i and M440i. Quantity. Whats the difference, Dealer. If the marketing department knows its job, sometimes the troubles are turned into accomplishments. Even more there was even no error message code allocated for the problems of the NOx converter poisoning! But the most interesting will only come!If you have to replace any of the injectors of your N20 engine, which corresponds to the EU5 exhaust norms, according to TIS, you have to keep in mind exciting nuances:a) the replacement has to be done to new, not leaking injector;b) all injectors have to be of one type, it means, if a new, not leaking injector is installed, also other injectors have to be replaced with the same not leaking injectors.BMW proudly calls it EU5 to EU6 conversion procedure. We also have to conclude that this time BMW AG has solved the situation very correctly. What would I do, if I had the engine, equipped with these injectors?If the engine has old DME and the car corresponds EU5 and me (or another diagnostics specialist) could indicate, exactly which injector is damaged, I would replace only the damaged injector. Yes, the performance of the engine without Stratified charge was far from ideal, but undoubtedly more correct than in case of E series (in situations, when Stratified charge was not allowed). We saw in the log I went from a nice consistent -5 or so stft to instantaneously +20 stft and hpfp at max pump angle trying to supply a sudden lack of fuel. The efficiency of cylinders No.3 and No.4 is average;c. The efficiency of cylinders No. Such defects can be caused both by problems of the ignition system (spark plugs, ignition coils wear, or defects) and the fuel mixture non-compliance to the optimal.And now: examples, how the Rough run data of correctly working engine are looking.Idle: Low required torque (20 .. 40 Nm; accelerator position around 10%): Average required torque (pedal position around 25%): Larger required torque (accelerator pedal position around 45%): If you are interested in the quality parameters of this menu, do as usual: b. turn off the ignition coil of some cylinder for a running engine. Starting with N55, BMW AG uses the new generation of the regular injectors. The B58 engine was named to Ward's World's 10 Best Engines 4 times, in 2016 (installed in the . *We will focus specifically on the engine for the purpose of this post. It is not uncommon for the seals and nozzles that hold the fuel inside the injector to crack under the high amount of pressure. 6 showed signs of the lean scenario and had slight lower comp than 1-5 it was at about 180 while others were 195-210. You are using an out of date browser. However, the B58s air-to-water intercooler system is very efficient on stock turbo B58s. Still confused. This time regarding data, available in the ISTA/Expert mode. Expect gains in the ballpark of 15-30whp with a catless downpipe. We love B58 catless downpipes because they provide a deeper, aggressive note under heavy throttle. The Gen 2 B58 have newer HPFP and should better work under remapping. Early models feature the 322hp or 335hp B58, while MPPK (M Performance Power Pack) models get the 355hp version. Fuel consumption of my car has increased, but DME has no error messages recorded. 1 and No.6 is the largest;b. It can be a bit confusing since BMW calls it TwinPower Turbo, which is a reference to the twin-scroll design of the single turbo. N43/N53 E and F series. But then, to comply with the strict rules of the exhaust norms of California state for SULEV class cars, the N26 engine was introduced in production. Uneven running. This is an increase over the 10.2:1 compression shared between the N54 and N55. Look for things like cooling system problems and gasket oil leaks. Dont panic about the cracked part. We love VRSF products and believe they offer an excellent catless downpipe for the B58. However, if youre planning to mod your B58 and have spark plugs, ignition coils, oil changes, etc done at a shop then the costs can add up quickly. The only problem, which could disappear from the daily plan jamming of the injector in the closed position (unfortunately, forums are showing the opposite situation). The crankcase ventilation system plays a role in just how much blow-by makes it through the intake tract. Problems and performance check, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails. F10/11. Rep. 447. We wrote an article here about the most common problems on the B58. Hidden defects, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails, Cold engine and problems of injectors. You must log in or register to reply here. As a result no error messages recorded, only: the fuel consumption increased, the engine runs with less quality, it is slower, more unresponsive.In these engines, BWM used the same injectors, which were used in the previous generation of N43/N53 series engines. What indicates serious problems? Again, we absolutely love the JB4. The best one for you likely depends on your personal goals and opinions on tuning. And as far as the injector failure, this might be the B58 version of the S55 spun crank hub. . Hidden defects, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails, Cold engine and problems of injectors. Will report back with results That should do it. Many B58 owners are experiencing low coolant in the main tank. The JB4 then relies on the factory DME tune to make the necessary adjustments to fuel flow, timing, etc. I love the car aside from this issue its the perfect daily in my opinion . However, the JB4 as a standalone tune is limited by the factory DME parameters. Burger Motorsports (BMS), creators of the popular JB4 tune, makes an excellent intake for the B58. Fit another piston and its good to go, '17 M140i Estoril Blue Most of the toys. Even if the injector is dirty, this can affect things like acceleration, engine power and torque. Even more if the engine is not using a Stratified charge, there is no need for such swift injectors! New. Notes. We recommend running a 0W-30 weight oil on the B58. Yes. All in all, its not too bad. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Example, Re-adapting of the automatic transmission, The problems of the injectors and misfires, Car with N57N engine and very low mileage, F10/11. Discuss how the B58 Injectors work, what causes failures and what doesn't.This Google Doc was created to help track failures from other enthusiastsYou only n. Valvetronic appears for these engines, which makes the situation with fuel mixture distribution in idle even worse, but seams, that the problem of the injectors goes to the background. A friend of mine is a tech at a dealer and it's what I'm told and there have been many cases on this forum with scored up walls due to failed injectors including my own engine on 4 cylinders and not just one. Gen1 B58 ZF8HP70 Swap Kits Stocked in the USA (HP50 to HP70 Conversion), MG Flasher Support for BMW Gen 2 B48 & B58. Originally Posted by G_B58. Obviously, these upgrades were not yet introduced at that time! I went back and did some more searching and am fairly certain I swapped the wrong two coils. What exactly this is already the next step in the diagnostics.Such performance of the cylinder causes the diesel car feeling permanent vibration. Update your vehicle. Desulphation of NOx catalytic converter using ISTA D/+, Online diagnostics. After replacement, I would NOT upgrade DME to 17.2.9. Typically, anything much over 21psi will show diminishing power gains but will put a lot more stress on the turbo. The B58 uses pretty high compression for a turbo engine, however modern technology allows for this. Fuel Pressure Sensor Replacement Cost. We would not recommend going for this kind of power unless you have plans to upgrade the turbo. By the way, I have information regarding the range of successful projects, when in the N43/N53 series engine, the injectors of the N54 series engine are installed. Problems of air-tightness, Idle. Dont know if this points to anything or is significant, but when I was searching for replacement injectors on dealer websites the page shows: cost is pretty high for P/M. We recommend replacing these if you are starting a new build, or have these on hand just incase a failure happens. Part 2, Importance of the service procedures. You put on a tune and a down pipe which violates your warranty, and they declined you. Well discuss this more in the next question below. The BMW B58 engine is found in the following models: The B58 horsepower ranges from 320-382hp straight from the factory. Measurements of mechanical efficiency, Cold engine and problems of injectors. The B58 has 24 valves. Rough run. N43/N53 operation modes. BMW does not say to us. Injectors from a dealer. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Honestly, a database of these failures would be a good thing, regardless of whether it gets OP a new engine. N20/N26. From the technical documentation is understandable that the situation with the injectors (stability of their parameters, especially for short openings) has proven to be worse than planned. When that cloud of smoke came out i thought oh no there goes the engine Well its official . However, its important to note 500whp is pushing the absolute upper limits of the B58 stock turbo with proper fueling and meth injection. Dinantronics Elite | BMS intake | Dinan springs and swaybars, BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST, B58 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications, https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/at4&d=1565745080. I'm not sure how the dealers feel about spacers . Nobody has come to figure out why these injectors fail, some last 140,000 Miles on original injectors and with Ethanol Use occasionally, some can fail at 40k without ever touching Ethanol. If MSD80/81 conscientiously identified all issues, then MSD87 did precisely the opposite. However to date the B58 is shaping up to be a highly reliable engine. 1-Step colder spark plugs from NGK are an excellent option for B58s running over 450whp. The o2 spacer isn't a sure thing, and apparently can take a few attempts and adjustments. Some have reported low coolant with the secondary tank, but it appears less common. Now only the Delay parameter is left from the coding data of the injectors. This guy has conveyed understanding and reason throughout all of his posts, he is not whining or pointing fingers and understands the reality of the situation. Coolant also helps prevent corrosion. BMW B46/B58 vs B46TU/B58TU. Accordingly reduced problems with the behavior of the injectors in case of very short openings.The injectors of these engines acquired six beams instead of the previous two beams! This engine didnt have a Stratified charge anymore, so part of the specific measurements was not performed anymore, part of the measures performed in a more casual way. As such, the JB4 is limited by the parameters built into the stock DME. BMW part number: 13538625396. Ultimately, 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-20, and 5W-30 will all work well. What fundamental changes expected this generation of the engines? Good evening, I am writing to try to get info, and outcomes from anyone who.may have experienced the same issue I am having. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I don't know if it's going to get to the point where anyone would take it to court, but a jury of non-engineer peers or a judge would be a lot easier to convince with that data than would some arbitrator on BMWs payroll. Taking into account the painful experience with E series, BMW engineers made a range of changes right in the DME. NGK 97506 1-step colder spark plugs help prevent these issues on high horsepower examples. Its a vague answer, but theres really no perfect answer. However, LL14FE oils are designed with fuel economy in mind. However, we believe Toyota opting to use the B58 says a lot. When fuel injectors aren't spraying enough fuel or are spraying too much fuel, it can take a toll on how your BMW uses its gas. Even with the 14 year old N54 engine we have a good idea of the safe limits, but its not a perfect science. Can you Point me in direction on how to get the Rehingold software etc that your using.. thanks! The B58 replaced the N55 and was launched in the F30 340i.. Refurbished. Unit of cylinder mechanical efficiency measurement: scale 2.As we see, the red and yellow curves are fluctuating around 0.0;Both blue curves are fluctuating around +3.0;Green and grey curves are fluctuating around -4.0.Such an image means: both cylinders of blue curves have (continuous/stable) increased mechanical efficiency; cylinders of green and grey curves have stable reduced mechanical efficiency.According to the legend of the curves:a. Copy all codes and code Details. Join Date: Sep 2018. Expect about 20-21psi to be a safe limit for the stock turbo. What exactly do you expect to achieve here? Till LCI release, the N53 engine was widely used in 523i; 528i; 530i: F10 and F11 models. Enter the JB4 + back-end flash option. Unsurprisingly, the success, Read More BMW N54 vs. N55 vs. B58 vs. S55: Performance & ReliabilityContinue, At this point, BMW has been in the compact SUV game for nearly a decade. Yes, the B58 crank and rods are forged. 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