The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. Wow. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? It's February 28, 2023, and Luke Schenn was just traded to the . After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder. She had a more than competent attorney and a fair trial before a jury and NOT the same judge who handled the childrens matters. This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of Californias (overcrowded) State prisons. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. They should have taken their timeto investigatethis case thoroughly and without prejudice. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. did he have eyes in the back of his head.???? Thats food for thought. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. Regina, I love your comment! Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. I am a true crime junkie. The blogger continues, I am not one sided. Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy: Relevance? While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. "We are obviously disappointed at the verdict. The Cinemaholic reports that Steve was often known for being immature and irresponsible, something that didn't see their rekindled relationship get off to the best start. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. No excuse there. Of course. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. What about the judge stopping a defendant from getting a new attorney? I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. Was that Annes fault as well? One of the jurors finally declared. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? Are you still taking comments by email? My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. I just read your opinion on the Pamela Smart case and the Scott Peterson case. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. Lise,,,,, yes you did. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). You didnt know that?? During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. I will talk to Dianes brother. It was obvious to the cops and the prosecution because they proceeded to get her daughter to testify against her because they had nothing to prove she was the shooter. So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. And if she did it, she has served her time without displaying any violent tendencies whatsoever. Many troubling elements of the case were discovered after the trial, but there was enough during the proceedings to be asking questions. At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. Fred Hugi is a man of the highest integrity and I hope that Dianes surviving two children finally found the love and stability they had been denied by their natural mother. That they did not test the outside of the car? He hired Jim Jagger on the 1st of June 1983, 11 days after the shooting. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. I didn't get tipsy, I'm pretty good at handling alcohol. And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. Exactly Libby why did they say during the trial that he saw his mom? We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. Dianes daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. According to your own experience Lori, dont they try to give grandparents custody or at least access in cases comparable to this one? I feel sorry for Diane too. I am not biased. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. Go to the hate groups for that. Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. She could have stayed on the side of the road. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. What was the justification? Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. No matter how horrible people think she is. Brewer changed his mind. No worries. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. She said She did it. If he was getting too close to the witness emotionally he should have stepped away from the case. As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. . Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. A long long time ago. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore. They rarely get a break. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). I do not declare her innocent. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. I am glad that some articles remain. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. Is it too late to respond to this? Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. Everything matters in a trial and investigation. I care about what was said at trial. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. It does seem time has done worse to her. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. It always feels like punishment at all costs. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. How ironic. She was the first to admit that at times, she was somewhat neglectful, impatient, yelled too much, and could have been a better mother, but she seemed to have turned the corner and was doing her best with the means at her disposal. Its tiresome. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. Maher also didn't specify that two of three authors weren't even from Johns Hopkins University: Jonas Herby, MS, whom the working paper described as a special advisor at Center for Political . What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact Seems like she was her worst enemy. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. What they did to her daughter is unconscionable. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. The BBC weather presenter, 60 . Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. When they assess the conduct of an inmate, what counts is mostly how she behaves inside through the years and if she shows violent tendencies. that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks This was very stressful. Her father also insisted shetry to help catch the shooter. It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rules narrative with more objectivity. She then went through the State (Circuit) Court habeas corpus relief for four years to no avail. Just a thought. She should have had the lawyer of her choice and if they wanted to charge her with the crimes, they should have stuck with what evidence and circumstances they had. The rest of the family? According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. What?? 2) You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane. They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. Also Im curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her deserving to be on parole. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. It was one of the most disturbing stories I've watched. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. Its as if they cant control it. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very coached. Do you remember probably about four or five days after Then they just got shut out. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. The GSR? She was the prosecutions only hope. The trial was a whole miscarriage, that seems undeniable. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. Or why the fact that he was a con artist made him such a credible guy in this case. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. She even provided the police with her own sketch. Seriously. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. The person leaned into the car. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. I dont know the woman. You fail to mention what her daughter actually said about her communication with Diane, like Diane telling her that a very powerful person, a secret man, has been watching her, and that if she loved her son she would move away or else her son will grow up to be a murderer. That is the way she was brought up,especially at the demand of her rigid but verydedicated father. And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as love making. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? View theaffidavits. No other shooter involved in her case. DA Pat Horton declared early in the game to the local paper that the search for the bearded stranger was not very high on their priority list.. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Im sure nothing I write will change that. The problem was, Diane has a long-documented history of adversely reacting to tranquilizing drugs. That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. Thanks again. After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? Probably a 911 button. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. Click here to read the complaint. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. Mr. Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. Ive not seen the movie or read the book. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. Inside, outside, top to bottom. Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. Below this letter see links to Salem-News.com articles about the questionable conviction of Diane Downs. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. Can you imagine your little boy growing up to beat to death (with his bare hands and boots) Is she referring to her ex husband? It will likely take place very early in the war when John is young. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. Makes major decisions easier because only one parent is legally responsible. She took care of herself not her children. Makes no difference to me. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. Now Diane Downs did not say any of this, but told a hard to believe story, and then changed it from one to two masked guys, etc. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. Page 26 of Case History. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. tell someone else. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance? I wish she could get a new look. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now Fair question. Did u learn nothing?? They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. I agree on many points with your comment. 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